(TWIST.) You've talked about how you consume a lot of content, or doomscroll and chase dopamine hits. I guess what I find interesting is that despite this inclination, whenever I look at your work, it always seems to be connected to, or yearn for, landscape.
(RR.) There's a reason for that. The scientific word for the experience of awe is “perceptual vastness”. That's the feeling that I get from looking at great works of art. An oceanic feeling. Perceptual vastness is connected to Carl Sagan's speech about the pale blue dot, and that feeling that can make you cry with gratitude when you see something overwhelmingly beautiful. Regarding the difference between that quickness of content and more substantial material: I love that fast stuff too;
Sonic the Hedgehog has definitely ended up in my work, you know. And I love it, especially when I'm working very close to digital media. For example, there's a piece I made called
Man Mask – so long ago now – where I ripped apart
Call of Duty, and it's all landscapes.
It's cool. I like that stuff. And I think what you're referring to are the different resolutions or ways of engaging with it, right? Because I'm not just doing a sort of pastiche of the internet, despite being enmeshed in it. For example, I don’t really share memes.
(TWIST.) No, your work is not very memetic.
RR: It's more romantic. For me, my decision not to speak with direct pastiche from the internet, meme logic, or popular culture – even though I love and giggle at the scroll – is because it ultimately feels boring to me. Something about using that direct pastiche feels like... fashion? Passing fashion. I don’t mind when elements of it leak in, as with
Call of Duty or
Sonic or whatever, but mostly I want my landscapes, my content, my myth-making – whatever it is – to come from me, not to be directed by my reptile brain. I feel I’m too enmeshed in and dependent on the totality of something outside my control already. I wonder if I find that direct pastiche boring because it feels like some Kardashian-level advertising bit I’m being sold. James Joyce said there are two types of bad art: didactic and advertising. I mostly agree.
(TWIST.) You've always traced technological movements with such precision, and your work is constantly shifting. But there's a quote from you I loved so much:
“the work doesn’t change, it just looks different. The heart is still there”. With the quickening, do you worry you'll ever lose that? Do you worry the heart will go?
(RR.) Yes. But the reason that I keep coming back to definitions is because I don't think the technology would do that to me. I think that I could lose myself. And I think that we're all at risk of losing ourselves if we don't pay attention.
I think everyone has their own different ways of finding out who they are for themselves. Everyone has what their actual core is. I know that this is my actual core. And you'll stop making art if you get picked up by that stream, you know. Because what you're saying is, what are your landscapes? What's the truest part of you? And that should always be able to change because we're always changing, especially with how fast things are moving. So, the beautiful thing is being honest enough and present enough to be like, oh, I'm here.
(TWIST.) It's affect?
(RR.) Yeah, it is affect. It's like, where am I? Right now, this is exactly what I needed to be making. For the times that we're in and why it feels like it's more rooted in the body and painting. And that is the material of the body. That's my relationship to painting, always. You're working in lipids and things that feel like hormones. That’s what painting is. It’s just a record of an artist's time. It's an extension of their nervous system.
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